Suggested man-to-man/dungeon action board scale when using miniatures for different iterations of classic D&D:
- Chainmail Man-to-Man Combat (1971, p. 25): Undefined.
- Dungeons & Dragons, Vol-3 (1974, p. 8): 1" = 10 feet.
- OD&D Sup-III, Eldritch Wizardry (1976, p. 7): 1" = 2 feet.
- Holmes Dungeons & Dragons (1978, p. 9): 1" = 10 feet.
- AD&D Dungeon Masters Guide (1979, p. 10): 1" = 3⅓ feet.
- Moldvay D&D Basic Rulebook (1981, p. B61): 1" = 5 feet.
- Mentzer D&D Players Manual (1983, p. 57): 1" = 10 feet.
Any others from this era that I missed (official D&D rulebooks only)?
Swords & Spells?
ReplyDeleteAnd for Swords & Spells, the scale is 1" = 30 feet.
ReplyDeleteHowever, I should point out that S&S doesn't really treat man-to-man combat. It refers the players to D&D for that.
ReplyDeleteHold on... 3 and a third feet is close enough to a meter to make no difference. AD&D DMG circa '79 was metric?
ReplyDeleteIIRC the 3 1/3' is to reckon 3 people abreast in a standard 10' wide passage. Later on 2 abreast became the default.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I agree with this --> faoladh said: "S&S doesn't really treat man-to-man combat."
ReplyDeleteAnd this --> Spawn of Endra said: "IIRC the 3 1/3' is to reckon 3 people abreast in a standard 10' wide passage."
The figure mounting scale in s&s works for individual as well as mass scale. Men are 5/8", bugbears are 1", a giant is 1 5/8" etc.
ReplyDeleteThis scale matches ad&d exactly if 1"=3 1/3 feet in combat scale, in exploration scale 1" =10".
This can be translated back to CM, which shows fantasy scales of 1:10 using millimeter, it is simple enough to show this in 1:1 scale.
Doing this shows you how many PC's stand abreast in a hall, and acurately shows an ogre or dragon as well.
Doesn't AD&D use two different scales--one for in dungeons and one for outside?
ReplyDeleteUWS guy said: "Men are 5/8"... This scale matches ad&d exactly if 1"=3 1/3 feet in combat scale, in exploration scale 1" =10"."
ReplyDeleteI like some of that idea, except as you put it, you don't the full 1" to fit the 5/8" figure. Like, what it's actually ideal for is a 1"=5 feet table scale -- 10' passage is 2", and 3 man-figures is also 3*5/8 = 15/8 ~ 2".
Zak S said: "Doesn't AD&D use two different scales--one for in dungeons and one for outside?"
ReplyDeleteThis is a third, distinct issue: The miniature-table-inches in the DMG are different from both the indoor and the outdoor range inches in the PHB. Which is totally nuts, but commonly overlooked.