tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post7763604412329521601..comments2024-03-26T15:35:56.004-04:00Comments on Delta's D&D Hotspot: OED Wilderness Rules Draft: Carrying CapacityDeltahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00705402326320853684noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-82227851092722738452017-06-04T14:24:39.344-04:002017-06-04T14:24:39.344-04:00One thing to consider is that in general, a mount ...One thing to consider is that in general, a mount allows you to carry more, not travel farther or faster. Something that's often missing in overland travel rules. Mounts need regular rests, and that usually means removing their burdens. That's one of the reasons why wagons are more efficient - you don't have to unload and reload a wagon when you stop to rest the horses.<br /><br />You'll also find that in general, horses were used as beasts of burden, not as mounts. That is, if you were traveling long distance, they were to haul or carry your gear. <br /><br />Obviously, when regarding a knight, they would ride a horse. But a knight would typically travel with several horses, would not be riding while fully armored (unless heading into combat), and had additional beasts of burden to carry or haul their equipment. <br /><br />All great stuff, though, I love these posts.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09267051945521881482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-73399663537705876862017-05-19T00:20:03.258-04:002017-05-19T00:20:03.258-04:00Thanks so much for the kind words! I think I had a...Thanks so much for the kind words! I think I had a revelation recently that references like that need to be included so we can all build on each others' work and not keeping reinventing and re-researching the wheel over and over. Deltahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00705402326320853684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-55416953835075567762017-05-16T09:53:07.357-04:002017-05-16T09:53:07.357-04:00Great, concise work! Thanks for all of the excelle...Great, concise work! Thanks for all of the excellent references on this one, especially; exactly the kind of logistics information that feeds my tinkering instincts.Joshua L. Lylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03358762663581842879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-79348558783138352552017-05-15T02:11:23.677-04:002017-05-15T02:11:23.677-04:00Also, if you want a sequence you could always do 6...Also, if you want a sequence you could always do 60/80/100. Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14285793254382192231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-52078607973897949572017-05-15T01:46:39.079-04:002017-05-15T01:46:39.079-04:00I unfortunately can't remember where I read it...I unfortunately can't remember where I read it, but basically what it came down to when looking at the size of barding and how it fit on modern horses, the only stuff sized for what we'd nowadays call heavy horses was jousting armor from the tail end of the Middle Ages. All the earlier equipment measured pointed to a slightly smaller and faster horse being the norm, even for the heavy cavalry.Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14285793254382192231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-82034669549867262592017-05-14T10:32:34.827-04:002017-05-14T10:32:34.827-04:00The figure for horse weight I got comes from the W...The figure for horse weight I got comes from the Wikipedia link in the notes; Horses in Warfare: Heavy-Weight, indicating for middle-ages Europe 1,500 to 2,000 pounds (100 to 140 stone). Cites Clark's Medieval Horse and Prestwich's Armies and Warfare in footnote.<br /><br />If it's even roughly in that zone I like having the game rule be a linear sequence 60/90/120 for the different horse weights. For example, I did intentionally boost the medium horse weight a bit to make that happen.Deltahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00705402326320853684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-21618882830840276452017-05-14T05:18:02.614-04:002017-05-14T05:18:02.614-04:00The Medieval Horse and its Equipment (edited by Jo...The Medieval Horse and its Equipment (edited by John Clark) corroborates the numbers that LWSCHURTZ's article arrives at, estimating average pulling loads at 500-600 pounds per horse.<br /><br />Also of note is that you might be overestimating the weight of your medium and heavy horses. Your 120 stone figure would be reasonable for a very large modern draft horse, but based on the size of historical horse armor, knightly warhorses were closer to the size of a modern Friesian, in the 90-100 stone range on average. It's less certain, but something similar is probably also true of medieval draft horses, as people only began to develop the truly massive working breeds in the Late Middle Ages and beyond with the increasing importance of cannons in warfare.Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14285793254382192231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-88411805762016985942017-05-14T05:16:40.462-04:002017-05-14T05:16:40.462-04:00Whoa! That's kinda cool!Whoa! That's kinda cool!LWSCHURTZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06635573516962732975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-44711762015598351862017-05-14T01:08:32.827-04:002017-05-14T01:08:32.827-04:00Wow, that's a nice article! Thank you. (The fu...Wow, that's a nice article! Thank you. (The funny thing is that my father and a friend of the family are world published experts in teamstering and yokes, but not in terms of ancient/medieval time periods.)Deltahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00705402326320853684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-46619732086721738162017-05-13T05:27:05.829-04:002017-05-13T05:27:05.829-04:00Here's some interesting data on pulling capaci...Here's some interesting data on pulling capacity by teams of two horses (http://www.humanist.de/rome/rts/load.html). I'm tracking down other sources.LWSCHURTZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06635573516962732975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-57748673912249342182017-05-12T13:04:01.501-04:002017-05-12T13:04:01.501-04:00Of course.
: )Of course.<br />: )JBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03263662621289630246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-38454892277308248832017-05-11T18:44:45.747-04:002017-05-11T18:44:45.747-04:00Please do that, that's ideal! A short credit n...Please do that, that's ideal! A short credit note is always appreciated. (Dan Collins, oedgames.com)Deltahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00705402326320853684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-39502556596936807562017-05-11T18:43:29.002-04:002017-05-11T18:43:29.002-04:00Hmmm, that's an interesting point. I was just ...Hmmm, that's an interesting point. I was just looking at mounts on the D&D list (as you can tell).Deltahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00705402326320853684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-16062923043031732802017-05-11T18:42:50.903-04:002017-05-11T18:42:50.903-04:00That is the best!That is the best!Deltahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00705402326320853684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-50621431823425007032017-05-11T16:41:55.103-04:002017-05-11T16:41:55.103-04:00Assuming a wagon or cart with nice big wheels, I w...Assuming a wagon or cart with nice big wheels, I would divide pulled weight by 5 on dirt, and by 10 on a paved or "metalled" surface, to find the effective carried weight.Dustinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11445464049818188130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-61214208875898010182017-05-11T16:06:09.553-04:002017-05-11T16:06:09.553-04:00First off: awesome on all counts.
Second: do you...First off: awesome on all counts.<br /><br />Second: do you have objections to folks (me) putting your modified encumbrance rules into their own publications?<br /><br />: )JBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03263662621289630246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-64941544518146827212017-05-11T08:49:20.267-04:002017-05-11T08:49:20.267-04:00I am liking it,
Only thing I see off the bat is so...I am liking it,<br />Only thing I see off the bat is some sort of guideline for non-beasts of burden. "How much can my summoned bear carry?" <br />Always with my corner cases.<br />Any thoughts on "pulling" capacity vs carry?Baquieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08357103428591599364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-35591724551345152622017-05-11T05:02:37.082-04:002017-05-11T05:02:37.082-04:00I'm loving these wilderness rules. I'm goi...I'm loving these wilderness rules. I'm going to be straight-up stealing them. Thanks!LWSCHURTZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06635573516962732975noreply@blogger.com