tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post7340976354902864304..comments2024-03-26T15:35:56.004-04:00Comments on Delta's D&D Hotspot: Friday Figures: Who Keeps the Sheets?Deltahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00705402326320853684noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-20338574643343070452019-11-18T09:00:18.058-05:002019-11-18T09:00:18.058-05:00We role play it. A NPC DM hands me a notional shee...We role play it. A NPC DM hands me a notional sheet at the end of a notional game and my PC takes it home...Structured Answerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16099134783225642045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-19134194824525835332019-11-05T08:56:47.257-05:002019-11-05T08:56:47.257-05:00And of course there's some Arneson associates ...And of course there's some Arneson associates who look at published OD&D the same way, and wargamers who look at fantasy gamers the same way, etc., possibly in an infinite regress. Deltahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00705402326320853684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-79313333855841140772019-11-05T08:55:39.012-05:002019-11-05T08:55:39.012-05:00I don't think I mean anything very deep with t...I don't think I mean anything very deep with that. Just that there's a population of 1E AD&D players who consider themselves old-school, and then there's a population of OD&D players who look at the former and consider them johnny-come-latelys with a bunch of degenerate rules distracting from the true game.<br /><br />Now this is mostly my impression from the online forums I interact with: (a) the Facebook 1E AD&D group (with a large body of sometimes sketchily informed but passionate players; e.g. often not knowing the difference between LBBs and B/X), and (b) the OD&D 74 Proboards Discussion forum (with a small body of often doctorate-level scholars of the original game). Deltahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00705402326320853684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-16743550373763834842019-11-04T10:10:58.056-05:002019-11-04T10:10:58.056-05:001E "kinda old-school" camp
Can you talk...1E "kinda old-school" camp<br /><br />Can you talk about this group at some point? I'm not sure to what you're referring, but I'm *extremely* curious.<br /><br />JBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03263662621289630246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-18366514665444271602019-11-02T19:01:47.733-04:002019-11-02T19:01:47.733-04:00I'm lazy and forgetful so I prefer my dm to ke...I'm lazy and forgetful so I prefer my dm to keep my sheet. The problem is that he is also lazy and forgetful, so the end of every session is like a game of hot potato. nefffffffffffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12056944417895418143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-3207159262939070382019-10-29T09:40:49.477-04:002019-10-29T09:40:49.477-04:00That makes sense.That makes sense.Deltahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00705402326320853684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-68871785334002924682019-10-29T03:47:47.992-04:002019-10-29T03:47:47.992-04:00I think my first group mostly fell into keeping ou...I think my first group mostly fell into keeping our own character sheets because we never had a permanent DM. We'd use the same character with different DMs all the time, so it only made sense to do it that way.Nathan P. Mahneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01184246437497081701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-17297165926948916092019-10-28T21:07:03.986-04:002019-10-28T21:07:03.986-04:00Ah right, the difference in editions. That would m...Ah right, the difference in editions. That would make a big difference, I expect.<br /><br />Right now I'm playing in a 5th edition game, and I actually keep a simplified version of my character sheet, and compute the more obscure bonuses myself, because it's so straightforward.<br /><br />I'm also playing a game of Star Wars Saga Edition, and hoo boy do you need to keep hold of your character sheet in that system. It's based on D&D3.5, but with nearly all class abilities swapped out for customizable "talents"—basically a second, separate layer of feats. Too fiddly to remember without your sheet, I would think.Warclamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12988345125040069046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-35259968427283359412019-10-28T10:00:15.416-04:002019-10-28T10:00:15.416-04:00That sounds about right.That sounds about right.Deltahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00705402326320853684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-59306981079317169852019-10-28T09:59:54.976-04:002019-10-28T09:59:54.976-04:00Definitely! :-)
It's interesting that in abou...Definitely! :-)<br /><br />It's interesting that in about 2 years of my current campaign play (and DM keeping PC sheets), no player has had to ping me for info on their PC between sessions. Could be that the OD&D stats are so stripped-down it's trivial to remember, or not an issue, or we're more casual players, or maybe I'm just standoff-ish and hard to reach. :-)Deltahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00705402326320853684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-91271307199807943612019-10-28T09:57:06.626-04:002019-10-28T09:57:06.626-04:00I think those are great points. The adding XP betw...I think those are great points. The adding XP between sessions was also a point made on the FB thread.Deltahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00705402326320853684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-5241710952552615042019-10-28T09:56:16.289-04:002019-10-28T09:56:16.289-04:00It's funny because I've just recently also...It's funny because I've just recently also had to start tracking the party's communal house-in-town, butler, horses, treasure in storage, etc. Deltahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00705402326320853684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-83384965549064407332019-10-28T09:54:37.725-04:002019-10-28T09:54:37.725-04:00That's funny! :-)That's funny! :-)Deltahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00705402326320853684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-74232186845127371212019-10-28T09:54:06.158-04:002019-10-28T09:54:06.158-04:00Me too! I wonder if the visitors to this blog mayb...Me too! I wonder if the visitors to this blog maybe fall into a "super old-school" camp where DMs control everything including PC sheets (as Arneson did); then there was a 1E "kinda old-school" camp that reversed that, and then the "new school" that's flipped back to DM keeping them? Deltahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00705402326320853684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-51597874705204785452019-10-28T09:49:56.673-04:002019-10-28T09:49:56.673-04:00I think those are compelling. Also in that FB thre...I think those are compelling. Also in that FB thread some people mentioned the DM needing to do stuff like computing & adding XP to the sheets between sessions (although in my OD&D game we can do that in about 2 minutes at session end). Deltahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00705402326320853684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-23125109970703215482019-10-27T09:08:09.106-04:002019-10-27T09:08:09.106-04:00Since my present players are my kids (11 to 8 year...Since my present players are my kids (11 to 8 years old), I keep all the stuff between sessions: they are careless enough with their homework already! porphyre77https://www.blogger.com/profile/07620350717226228078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-51798137368511610412019-10-26T13:19:50.706-04:002019-10-26T13:19:50.706-04:00I have done both. I encourage players to let me ha...I have done both. I encourage players to let me hang onto them but don't expect it. Travis Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08462669235840448896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-21315754549939548532019-10-26T09:16:07.687-04:002019-10-26T09:16:07.687-04:00I always keep character sheets, whether as a playe...I always keep character sheets, whether as a player or DM. I just don't trust anyone else. I've had both players and DMs either lose a sheet or just forget to bring it that day. Sometimes as a player my DM will want the sheets, in which case I'll make an extra copy for them, but I keep the original. I do the same thing if a player wants to keep their sheet for a game I'm running.Lance Duncanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13817319325489613672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-33636682304091790592019-10-26T02:31:26.460-04:002019-10-26T02:31:26.460-04:00I have an online gaming group made up of experienc...I have an online gaming group made up of experienced players - we have all the sheets on a shared google sheet.<br /><br />For the more "casual" players of the real-life gaming group, they insist that I keep their sheets because they never remember to bring them/lose them once at home.Wizard Lizardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07976996808553118026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-30433255925761037502019-10-25T19:32:45.020-04:002019-10-25T19:32:45.020-04:00It's never occurred to me for the GM to keep s...It's never occurred to me for the GM to keep sheets. No particular reason, we've just always hung onto them as players.<br /><br />My initial thoughts on hearing that some people hand them to the GM are, "but why though?" and "doesn't the GM have enough to keep track of?"<br /><br />What if a player wants to ask if they have a particular thing? Do they have to message the GM, be like, "hey I don't remember, do I have Power Attack?"<br /><br />I guess players having the sheets is also practical, since we always level up ourselves, offline. We couldn't do that if they were stuck in with all the GM's things.<br /><br />Side note: the phrase "color-coded by race" really makes you appreciate the power of context, eh?Warclamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12988345125040069046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-80293654528178810152019-10-25T17:53:50.843-04:002019-10-25T17:53:50.843-04:00I let the players keep their sheets, although I ha...I let the players keep their sheets, although I have a master copy of their game stats (for my own reference and ease, mostly.) Still, it's a problem when people don't show but their character needs to be played due to an ongoing adventure that continues between sessions or when a player shows but forgot their stuff. Still, if they prefer to hang on to the sheets I don't mind enough to insist on keeping them.<br /><br />Back in the day the players always held onto them. "in the day" being my elementary/junior high school/high school days.Peter Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14246000382321978462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-11489394067970553102019-10-25T14:33:10.340-04:002019-10-25T14:33:10.340-04:00Usually I keep my players sheet's too, unless ...Usually I keep my players sheet's too, unless they want to take it home with them, but that hardly happens.<br /><br />Aside from the advantage of keeping everything together, they also rely on me to update the XP and level stuff between sessions. Also, since it can be hit or miss who shows up, we can still run a character as an NPC if need be.DHBoggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02170439175265397893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-90713155061053858222019-10-25T13:11:38.338-04:002019-10-25T13:11:38.338-04:00One nice thing about digital play is that since we...One nice thing about digital play is that since we're using virtual character sheets, usually hosted on some cloud service or another, we have the best of both worlds- both GM *and* players can have access to the character sheet at the same time. <br /><br />Back when I used to play in person, I always kept my sheet as a player, and I'd probably expect the same as a GM. I'm very unorganized, I might lose them if you give them to me :OMaplehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01125740523827661666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-58050871413398740462019-10-25T11:16:52.565-04:002019-10-25T11:16:52.565-04:00As a DM, I have a folder full of all the character...As a DM, I have a folder full of all the character sheets, player maps, the list of "treasure in the party's storage unit", etc. I think I asked at the beginning of the campaign whether they wanted to keep them in between sessions or have me keep them and there was a consensus that it was easier for me to just hang on to them. Sometimes players forget to bring stuff, and my players are mostly casual players who are unlikely to be lovingly reviewing their character sheet between sessions. It's easier just to keep it with all the other maps and player notes.Jesse Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10802754799848483493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-70189431549812199832019-10-25T11:14:21.705-04:002019-10-25T11:14:21.705-04:00In the groups I’ve played in it’s usually been a m...In the groups I’ve played in it’s usually been a mix: the more casual players usually prefer to have someone else (either the GM or another player) keep their sheets. That way they don’t have to worry about losing or forgetting it, and the option’s open for someone else to use their character if they miss a session. OTOH the more dedicated players, the same ones who bring their own rulebooks and dice and rarely ever miss a game, usually prefer to keep their own sheets between games. These players are also more likely to think about the game between sessions - to add details and backstory to their characters and make plans and conduct downtime business and so forth, so it makes sense they’d want to have their sheet to facilitate that stuff. That’s always seemed to work pretty well. Every once in a while a character sheet gets lost or forgotten, but not often. <br /><br />I do remember one campaign I played in back in the 80s where the GM collected all of the sheets at the end of each session, and I didn’t like it, so I would definitely never enforce that. Trenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01889179660165006042noreply@blogger.com