tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post2471496065146785725..comments2024-03-26T15:35:56.004-04:00Comments on Delta's D&D Hotspot: It's Not Just About "Fun"Deltahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00705402326320853684noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-74206785675251063082016-10-12T19:05:28.359-04:002016-10-12T19:05:28.359-04:00Thanks: I think my ultimate point would be that I ...Thanks: I think my ultimate point would be that I wouldn't want to use any one word to justify it. I'd use a list of rewards, like Aristotle.Deltahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00705402326320853684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-47023059720639560202016-10-12T14:44:21.125-04:002016-10-12T14:44:21.125-04:00Great discussion. So what have people come up with...Great discussion. So what have people come up with in lieu of "fun"?<br /><br />I imagine "enjoyable" is a bit closer to the truth, though it will be misinterpreted as "fun".<br /><br />"Rewarding", "satisfying", and "fulfilling" are a bit more descriptive, though they still leave something out. Perhaps "hard but satisfying challenge"?<br /><br />"Productive struggle" is more concise, but the phrase would be lost on most people.BostonQuadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15739476475159681555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-50895350311900446782015-01-11T23:21:53.289-05:002015-01-11T23:21:53.289-05:00A related post from the blog of Andrew Skurka on t...A related post from the blog of Andrew Skurka on the tradeoffs of "fast" thru-hiking:<br /><br /><i>Fast hikes are definitely not “vacations”; words like “rewarding” and “satisfying” more accurately describe the experience than “fun” (unless you’re a full-blown masochist). Be prepared for the additional difficulties you will bring on yourself; and embrace them as an integral part of your trip, as much as the wildlife encounters and scenic vistas.</i><br /><br /><a href="http://andrewskurka.com/2006/how-to-hike-a-fast-thru-hike/" rel="nofollow">http://andrewskurka.com/2006/how-to-hike-a-fast-thru-hike/</a>Deltahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00705402326320853684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-31461579555066851272014-11-30T21:31:48.200-05:002014-11-30T21:31:48.200-05:00Welcome to it! :-) I find that the issue still pro...Welcome to it! :-) I find that the issue still probably comes up at least once a week for me in things that I read. Deltahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00705402326320853684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-74020184588284327192014-11-18T11:26:37.383-05:002014-11-18T11:26:37.383-05:00Hmm...not sure why I missed this post before.Hmm...not sure why I missed this post before.JBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03263662621289630246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-43321596933475257932014-09-01T14:07:07.232-04:002014-09-01T14:07:07.232-04:00Perhaps a term from education is also useful here:...Perhaps a term from education is also useful here: "productive struggle". (<a href="http://www.shaker.org/Downloads/ProductiveStruggle.pdf" rel="nofollow">Link</a>)Deltahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00705402326320853684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-10989623478979140712009-12-05T22:35:00.100-05:002009-12-05T22:35:00.100-05:00All fun things are enjoyable, but not all enjoyabl...All fun things are enjoyable, but not all enjoyable things are fun. Fun is a subset of enjoyability.<br /><br />I can enjoy the awesome majesty of snow-capped mountains rising like sleeping giants from the sea; but the view is not fun.<br /><br />I can enjoy a day of quiet exploration and serene introspection on a deserted beach, without having fun.<br /><br />I can enjoy a nice old scotch without having to call the scotch "fun".<br /><br />I can enjoy hot towels straight from the dryer without misapplying "fun" to the sensation.<br /><br />I think the problem, and the root of the objection, is that because it's a game, people seem to assume that it can't be more than (or other than) merely diversionary, shallowly-entertaining "fun".<br /><br />It's a stigma that's unjustified, much like the stigma that is attached to animation as a story medium: "that's for kids."d7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08635926744710532548noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-59810598274727861722009-08-29T13:51:45.875-04:002009-08-29T13:51:45.875-04:00I'm not in it for the fun, I'm in it for t...I'm not in it for the fun, I'm in it for the endorphin rush!samwysehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285049798805286169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-25990495450428000462009-07-07T13:24:16.490-04:002009-07-07T13:24:16.490-04:00Great read.Great read.Zzarchovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07714805545939725730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-42982860687811165412009-05-26T17:46:16.277-04:002009-05-26T17:46:16.277-04:00"As we're scrambling for words, I'll merely point ..."As we're scrambling for words, I'll merely point in Levi's direction at Amagi Games' glossary. One of these usually covers it."<br /><br />I agree, that's a pretty good list. <br /><br />My one concern is that the author tries to put the whole work under the heading of "here are different kinds of fun", and (as evident from my main post) I think that's inherently forced and unworkable in many of the cases.Deltahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00705402326320853684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-70257716222508321942009-05-25T06:05:23.725-04:002009-05-25T06:05:23.725-04:00As we're scrambling for words, I'll merely point i...As we're scrambling for words, I'll merely point in Levi's direction at <A HREF="http://www.amagi-games.org/?p=6" REL="nofollow">Amagi Games' glossary</A>.<br /><br />One of these usually covers it.<br /><br />Yes it's possibly prescriptive so I'm going to point at a <A HREF="http://www.clivebarker.info/newsfantasycon2.html" REL="nofollow">Clive Barker speech on the death of genre</A>.<br /><br />Excellent post & provocative stuff.satyrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08479802116614818015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-49774181682437558292009-05-24T16:21:51.226-04:002009-05-24T16:21:51.226-04:00Ok... duly chastened... I'll stop having fun now.Ok... duly chastened... I'll stop having fun now.Blotzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06993967190131485391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-954613473771290462009-05-23T00:33:16.790-04:002009-05-23T00:33:16.790-04:00"By definition, if you are enjoying an activity th..."By definition, if you are enjoying an activity then you are having fun."<br /><br />Here you're playing word-games; that is not an accurate dictionary definition of "fun". Per my Webster's, it includes the connotations of "joyous play.... amusement... not seriously". It derives from the Middle English <I>fonne</I>, "a fool, foolish".<br /><br />The games I've seen played are not always joyous, not always amusing, and usually quite serious. They are definitely not foolish! (Excepting perhaps a game of "Toon".) Therefore the word "fun" rather explicitly fails us.<br /><br />Attempting to redefine the word to be "whatever it is that you keep doing" is not logically tenable. Usually word-games like these are used by those who then wish to make unwarranted prescriptions on our games, so as to enforce all these other connotations on us all the time.<br /><br />The same could be said for other forms of sport and art, as well.Deltahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00705402326320853684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-35985703292536169892009-05-23T00:04:33.813-04:002009-05-23T00:04:33.813-04:00"Well I want a word that expresses the conflicted,..."Well I want a word that expresses the conflicted, often positive, often negative, sometimes creative, gently inquisitive feeling that you get when experiencing art. Certain music. A few video games and films."<br /><br />That is not a bad observation (and poetically phrased, I might add).<br /><br />Again, what Aristotle used for this was the word <I>catharsis</I> (purification). It's not perfect, but in the right direction...Deltahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00705402326320853684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-66611405573383290652009-05-22T12:35:24.909-04:002009-05-22T12:35:24.909-04:00You know how some languages have words that expres...You know how some languages have words that express things that are important to their culture? <br /><br />Well I want a word that expresses the conflicted, often positive, often negative, sometimes creative, gently inquisitive feeling that you get when experiencing art. Certain music. A few video games and films. <br /><br />I can't call it "fun" in the same way an activity that produces mosty joy is fun. My favorite video games affect me, but they're so difficult at times that the word fun doesn't cut it in describing them. <br /><br />We need that word. That word is what roleplaying games provide.Tacomanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-17546683554161684802009-05-20T16:47:40.320-04:002009-05-20T16:47:40.320-04:00I'll just get it out of the way...(please engage s...I'll just get it out of the way...(please engage sarcasm receptors, if sarcasm receptors are offline, please leave the internet immediately until repairs are made)<br /><br /> By definition, if you are enjoying an activity then you are having fun. You may or may not be experiencing a variety of other emotions whilst doing some activity, But if you keep coming back to do it, then I'm going to assume you are enjoying it, and thus by any reasonable definition wherein words mean things, you are having fun. <br /><br />I know this makes many of you uncomfortable, seeing as you have gone to great lengths here and other places to avoid the appearance of having any fun, primarily by placing the word fun in "scare" quotes, or quite unnecessarily larding the activity with extraneous meaning in order to reduce the profile of fun in the public's perception of the activity. <br /><br />That is fine. I assume since you keep doing it, this must be a fun activity for you. Please do not allow me to interfere.Blotzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06993967190131485391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-67731670386815491632009-05-20T10:43:01.671-04:002009-05-20T10:43:01.671-04:00When I wrote "I Hate Fun" last year, I had no idea...When I wrote "I Hate Fun" last year, I had no idea that I'd still be catching crap for it (and have it be the biggest traffic-driver to my blog) for so long.<br /><br />Good luck to you if people decide to descend upon you too. :DJimLotFPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02992397707040836366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-61565400536438952122009-05-20T10:39:46.740-04:002009-05-20T10:39:46.740-04:00"Fulfilled" instead of "fun"."Fulfilled" instead of "fun".Michael S/Chgowizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052820400496340137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-14024069865276939962009-05-20T09:59:30.284-04:002009-05-20T09:59:30.284-04:00Awesome post.Awesome post.James Maliszewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00341941102398271464noreply@blogger.com