tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post9174605657317395228..comments2024-03-15T11:16:44.045-04:00Comments on Delta's D&D Hotspot: Part I -- Continuity of RulesDeltahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00705402326320853684noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-57674733640044462372009-06-06T17:12:49.465-04:002009-06-06T17:12:49.465-04:00I'm glad you saved a copy of Steven's docu...I'm glad you saved a copy of Steven's documents. I'm looking through that and Diminutive d20 now.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01855795685237076705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-52768458054633735582009-06-06T01:40:49.468-04:002009-06-06T01:40:49.468-04:00James, thanks for the kind words and the report on...James, thanks for the kind words and the report on the dead link.<br /><br />I did save copies of Steven's 3.5 change documents -- I've updated the web article with a link to my own copy, or just grab it <a href="http://www.superdan.net/download/3.5-Changes.zip" rel="nofollow">here</a>.<br /><br />I also worked on a 3E-era inspired "Diminutive d20" ruleset up through 2008, I'll welcome you to check that for ideas (and you'll see it in some blog posts): <a href="http://www.superdan.net/dimd20/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.Deltahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00705402326320853684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-39415928262545731612009-06-05T21:22:34.825-04:002009-06-05T21:22:34.825-04:00I've just found your blog and really like it--...I've just found your blog and really like it--I'm working on a project to revise 3e to be more like prior editions, and all this OD&D input is amazingly helpful.<br /><br />I was looking at the Thumbs Down to 3.5 article, and it appears that Steven Cooper's analysis of spell changes is no longer available. Would you happen to have downloaded a copy of it, or know if he's hosting it somewhere else?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01855795685237076705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-17496183795193152262007-10-23T11:24:00.001-04:002007-10-23T11:24:00.001-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.BigFellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03052419088140204154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-26415810433191304832007-10-23T11:24:00.000-04:002007-10-23T11:24:00.000-04:00Apparently Wizards has decided that legacy players...Apparently Wizards has decided that legacy players are a dead socket. They're lookin' to pull in MMRPG players, I figure. The rule changes you describe certainly feel a lot more MMRPGy. I think this is fundamentally flawed thinking. They're not going to pry MMRPGers away from their MMRPGs with just a recognisable brand name. Of course, there's a rich tradition in business of being an inferior imitation of your competitor, so who am I to say...<BR/><BR/>I'll tell you who I am, I'm part of the *actual* demographic for this game, or I would be if they'd decided that the die hard fans weren't worth their time anymore. <BR/><BR/>Meh, I've still got my 3rd ed books, and I'll play that instead. Which is why I'm not attractive to them as a customer. <BR/><BR/>All told, kind of a lose/lose for WOTC.BigFellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03052419088140204154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-41422940039735621892007-10-23T09:37:00.000-04:002007-10-23T09:37:00.000-04:00Well, speaking as a DM I did find that I got a lot...Well, speaking as a DM I did find that I got a lot of use from the 2E->3E conversion booklet (for converting NPCs in old adventures). At least the core classes, levels, abilities, spells, and magic items almost always mapped 1:1 to some (possibly renamed) entity in 3E. My understanding is that with 4E all of that stuff will totally be razed to the ground and recreated with different stuff.<BR/><BR/>To respond to Paul's point, the one hair I'd split is of course the Elementalist wizards come from the 2E "Tome of Magic" supplement. I don't necessarily expect supplemental stuff to be directly converted, by I do assume that a stock core-rules PHB wizard should be transferable. With 4E that won't even be attemptable, because all the levels and powers use totally different systems.Deltahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00705402326320853684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-69072228850633074902007-10-23T08:50:00.000-04:002007-10-23T08:50:00.000-04:00Yeah. I don't read quite that much into the "no 3e...Yeah. I don't read quite that much into the "no 3e to 4e conversion". I think they are just admitting that the 2e to 3e conversion guide didn't work well if you took it too seriously. I found it a bit helpful in understanding 3e, but my own conversions to 3e from earlier editions were reimaginings.<BR/><BR/>To me, 3e had plenty of continuity of rules problems itself. Maybe 4e is going farther, but 3e has already convinced me that I have to consider any new edition of D&D as if it were a completely new game. I'll call it "D&D" 'cause that's what it'll say on the cover, but it won't "be D&D" to me. Just as I feel about 3e. To me, C&C is more D&D than 3e, despite trademarks.<BR/><BR/>Which is not to say that I don't enjoy 3e or that I won't enjoy 4e. In fact, since 4e ≠ D&D to me, I'm actually a bit excited about it. I'll be impressed if Wizards manages to make an RPG I can't enjoy.<BR/><BR/>Although, many of the statements made so far do have me wondering about that...<BR/><BR/>It is a shame, though. Classic D&D and AD&D were good games, but too many people regard them as obsolete because there's an in-print game that happens to have the same brand name. What bothers me more, however, is that D&D is still the <I>de facto</I> flagship for the hobby. It is still the game that will be many people's first encounter with pen & paper RPGs. I don't think 3e--as good of a game as it is--fills that role well. Whether 4e does any better on that count...I'll be waiting to see.Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16733274876782876659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170237526012357403.post-44467600997734839762007-10-22T07:51:00.000-04:002007-10-22T07:51:00.000-04:00You know, I have to agree that the 2e->3e conversi...You know, I have to agree that the 2e->3e conversion was pretty much useless. Maybe my character was an edge case, but at the time I was playing an Elementalist, for which there was no equivalent in 3e. If you recall, I ended up converting him to a cleric, but I was so dissatisfied by the conversion that I eventually gave up the character and created a new one.<BR/><BR/>Though I can't say that their decision to have no conversion rules is a better option. But at last they're being up front about it now.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06885070668246799352noreply@blogger.com